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Mathis and Ken Shoulders
This topic covers all things Mathis' Charge Field and Ken Shoulder's discoveries.
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By the way, I notice a lot of discussion around the concept of "lattice" in regards to the Charge Field. It is worth considering since so many "items" in this world are built from a lattice of sorts (e.g. diamonds from carbon).
The data and photos discussed in the following paragraphs can be seen in the paper entitled, “Charge
Clusters in Action” by Ken Shoulders. This paper is available for download from the web at:
Ken Shoulders
http://svn.net/krscfs/
WHAT’S AN EVO? 10/9/04 (2 pages)
by
Ken Shoulders
Intent of This Writing:
An EVO (exotic vacuum object) is just another name in a long line of names for a
new electronic effect. In the past, it has been called an EV (Electromagnetic Vortex or Electrum Validum
for strong electron), charge cluster (this could be just a piece of dirt with no net charge) and CCT for charge
cluster technology. Whatever it is called, the effect can best be characterized by how it is measured using
instruments capable of interpenetration in terms of somewhat similar phenomenon. The nearest class of
instruments with useful capabilities is those used for measuring the properties of electrons and ions.
Using these, we will assemble a series of observations characterizing the observable entity properties that
are most pertinent to new energy and propulsion uses. Use of contemporary buzzwords like zero point
energy, space energy or ether and other areas of mystery will be avoided here as they might falsely bias
judgment of the true events being measured. It will not even be assumed that the entity being interrogated is
an assembly of electrons, even though electrons were put in during formation and an equivalent number of
electrons were output at the time of dishevelment.
This writing is thus an attempt to analyze the actions and basic characteristics of the entity while being as
free as possible of preconceived notions about its structure. This aim is heavily biased toward the entities
use instead of its name or theory of operation.
They Are Forceful:
A witness plate is a target for the entity that can be taken out of the apparatus and
examined for interaction with the entity. Although one would naively assume all effects derived from
receiving the impact of the strike would be thermal, experience has shown that this is strictly not so. Many
of the effects are an entirely different form of non-thermal material dishevelment due to the peculiar
properties of the bombarding entity. One of the effects that can still be trusted is the measurement of peak
force against the witness plate as certain measurement methods can be arranged that do not directly involve
the entity. By using these methods, it can be ascertained with certainty that the peak force due to
encountering an entity being measured has easily surpassed the tensile strength limits of the witness plate.
When calculations are done to see what the energy balance is to produce the impact mark, using input
measured electron number and velocity, it is clear that the effects seen are not tractable due to inertia.
Ballistic laws are strictly not followed and are off by a factor of thousands. As an example, an entity
traveling at 0.1c, composed of about 10^12 electrons, accelerates a slug of mass 50 material, measuring 20
micrometers in diameter by 100 micrometers long, to a mean velocity of about 10^7
centimeters per second.
Indications are that a very high force is available due to motion of the entity and that this force is directly
indicated by this measurement technique.
As a second point of verification of this enormous force, along with another peculiar property of material
entrainment, is the way a simple electrical impedance mismatch can reverse the direction of travel for the
entity along with the entire load of material it is carrying. This happens when the entity of a particular
energy or type creates a hole in a target boring material, such as SiC, backed with a metal foil that is, in
turn, spaced from another anode material. This mismatch produces an intense, point flash of light, having a
diameter of about 5 micrometers, resulting from the reversal of the entity with its load, followed by high
velocity ejection of the load material in the opposite direction originally traveled by the ensemble.
Not only is the force of the entity high in the forward or original direction it was launched but also it almost
instantly reverses direction and applies the force in the opposite direction—all under electrical control
afforded by the local structure instead of external dictates. The magnitude of the control voltage has not
been directly measured, due to the very short time involved, but is not expected to be above the 100-volt
range, as assessed from the lack of thin film dielectric breakdown when the film is less than 1,000 atoms
thick.
This entity is thus more forceful than any condensed material can withstand and it is controlled by a minute
amount of input power.
They Hang Together:
In order to array adequate quantities of this specialized electronic substance for the
purpose of propelling large quantities of material and for generation of high powered electrical and light
sources, it is necessary for the entities to form into these large structures without the adverse effects of
space charge repulsion. They do this admirably as can be seen from photos of witness plates that caught
them in flight and recorded their binding arrangement just before capture. Examples of this can be seen in
the paper entitled, “Permittivity Transitions”, by Ken Shoulders, also available for download from the web
at the above address.
This demonstration of cohesiveness must be taken to the next step of reducing the velocity of the ensemble
and collecting more material while also allowing a cooling action to occur, which removes rogue modes
that do not control as desired. This is a purification step and the Paul type of electrodynamic trap is ideally
suited to the purpose. Once the accumulation and cooling is complete, the material is transferred to the
operational site. In the case of a single axis, bidirectional thruster or propulsion unit, this device can be as
simple as a sealed pair of parallel plates of dielectric material having a spacing of a single unit of charged
material between them, about 0.001 inches, with conductive electrodes applied on the outside to present the
control field. Electrical and optical generators are essentially the same structure with specialized electrodes
and filling to enhance the motional aspect of the contained charge. In many ways, these devices closely
parallel piezoelectric devices but having exceptionally high coupling coefficients and efficiency in that they
are over-unity efficiency, are self-driven and function without input power from our usual sources.
Why Would They Act This Way:
There are several unique properties to the portion of space we occupy
on this planet and nearby neighborhood. One of the most obvious curiosities is the way we have reached a
charge neutral or charge balanced condition, with the exception of an occasional thunderstorm,
fractoemission cracked rock, and rubbing hair on amber. The driving force behind this is that electrons
really don’t want to be alone. At the first opportunity available, they join up with something. In the case of
elements, they readily join the nucleus, with its positive charge invitation, until a balance is obtained.
Oddly enough, and this is not common knowledge, they also join each other as long as the spacing is as
close as one atomic diameter or so. That is what happens when an abrupt, high field process, like a gas
discharge or field emission, forcibly ejects electrons from a conductor at sufficiently high current density.
Having once achieved this uncommon union for our portion of space, the electrons stick together until the
marriage is violated by a sufficient quantity of conductor where they are forced to return to their more
common state as an atom. But while in this little package, whatever it is called, very delightful things
happen that can be used to our advantage.
At this point all we have is a controllable entity capable of extraordinary thrust and using trivial control
power. Some of the requirements for this condition seem to be connected to its large size, being larger than
a single electron, and the apparent closeness of the substructure, assuming there are internal parts.
Curiously, the critical number density of the substructure matches Avogadro’s number. To a first
approximation, the parts within are spaced the same as if they were in an atomic lattice.
What’s Its Name:
Although there are many more measured properties having to do with the ability to
mask charge and shift mass, the above statements used alone are enough to allow proceeding to the next
stage of development without undue risk of the work being stranded for lack of data. Do we mystify the
source of this effect with an elaborate name or just give it a bland name and use it?
There is now a wondrously long list of things we do not have to know or do to proceed with a process for
passively overcoming the force of gravity—as the entity we are talking about is thrusting against some
unseen medium that appears stationary and this medium is not the material it is boring through. Call it what
you will, the medium is there and we can now engage it in a very forceful way. No more beating on the air
or throwing material overboard to fly! Who cares what its name is? Use it.
------
By the way, I notice a lot of discussion around the concept of "lattice" in regards to the Charge Field. It is worth considering since so many "items" in this world are built from a lattice of sorts (e.g. diamonds from carbon).
The data and photos discussed in the following paragraphs can be seen in the paper entitled, “Charge
Clusters in Action” by Ken Shoulders. This paper is available for download from the web at:
Ken Shoulders
http://svn.net/krscfs/
WHAT’S AN EVO? 10/9/04 (2 pages)
by
Ken Shoulders
Intent of This Writing:
An EVO (exotic vacuum object) is just another name in a long line of names for a
new electronic effect. In the past, it has been called an EV (Electromagnetic Vortex or Electrum Validum
for strong electron), charge cluster (this could be just a piece of dirt with no net charge) and CCT for charge
cluster technology. Whatever it is called, the effect can best be characterized by how it is measured using
instruments capable of interpenetration in terms of somewhat similar phenomenon. The nearest class of
instruments with useful capabilities is those used for measuring the properties of electrons and ions.
Using these, we will assemble a series of observations characterizing the observable entity properties that
are most pertinent to new energy and propulsion uses. Use of contemporary buzzwords like zero point
energy, space energy or ether and other areas of mystery will be avoided here as they might falsely bias
judgment of the true events being measured. It will not even be assumed that the entity being interrogated is
an assembly of electrons, even though electrons were put in during formation and an equivalent number of
electrons were output at the time of dishevelment.
This writing is thus an attempt to analyze the actions and basic characteristics of the entity while being as
free as possible of preconceived notions about its structure. This aim is heavily biased toward the entities
use instead of its name or theory of operation.
They Are Forceful:
A witness plate is a target for the entity that can be taken out of the apparatus and
examined for interaction with the entity. Although one would naively assume all effects derived from
receiving the impact of the strike would be thermal, experience has shown that this is strictly not so. Many
of the effects are an entirely different form of non-thermal material dishevelment due to the peculiar
properties of the bombarding entity. One of the effects that can still be trusted is the measurement of peak
force against the witness plate as certain measurement methods can be arranged that do not directly involve
the entity. By using these methods, it can be ascertained with certainty that the peak force due to
encountering an entity being measured has easily surpassed the tensile strength limits of the witness plate.
When calculations are done to see what the energy balance is to produce the impact mark, using input
measured electron number and velocity, it is clear that the effects seen are not tractable due to inertia.
Ballistic laws are strictly not followed and are off by a factor of thousands. As an example, an entity
traveling at 0.1c, composed of about 10^12 electrons, accelerates a slug of mass 50 material, measuring 20
micrometers in diameter by 100 micrometers long, to a mean velocity of about 10^7
centimeters per second.
Indications are that a very high force is available due to motion of the entity and that this force is directly
indicated by this measurement technique.
As a second point of verification of this enormous force, along with another peculiar property of material
entrainment, is the way a simple electrical impedance mismatch can reverse the direction of travel for the
entity along with the entire load of material it is carrying. This happens when the entity of a particular
energy or type creates a hole in a target boring material, such as SiC, backed with a metal foil that is, in
turn, spaced from another anode material. This mismatch produces an intense, point flash of light, having a
diameter of about 5 micrometers, resulting from the reversal of the entity with its load, followed by high
velocity ejection of the load material in the opposite direction originally traveled by the ensemble.
Not only is the force of the entity high in the forward or original direction it was launched but also it almost
instantly reverses direction and applies the force in the opposite direction—all under electrical control
afforded by the local structure instead of external dictates. The magnitude of the control voltage has not
been directly measured, due to the very short time involved, but is not expected to be above the 100-volt
range, as assessed from the lack of thin film dielectric breakdown when the film is less than 1,000 atoms
thick.
This entity is thus more forceful than any condensed material can withstand and it is controlled by a minute
amount of input power.
They Hang Together:
In order to array adequate quantities of this specialized electronic substance for the
purpose of propelling large quantities of material and for generation of high powered electrical and light
sources, it is necessary for the entities to form into these large structures without the adverse effects of
space charge repulsion. They do this admirably as can be seen from photos of witness plates that caught
them in flight and recorded their binding arrangement just before capture. Examples of this can be seen in
the paper entitled, “Permittivity Transitions”, by Ken Shoulders, also available for download from the web
at the above address.
This demonstration of cohesiveness must be taken to the next step of reducing the velocity of the ensemble
and collecting more material while also allowing a cooling action to occur, which removes rogue modes
that do not control as desired. This is a purification step and the Paul type of electrodynamic trap is ideally
suited to the purpose. Once the accumulation and cooling is complete, the material is transferred to the
operational site. In the case of a single axis, bidirectional thruster or propulsion unit, this device can be as
simple as a sealed pair of parallel plates of dielectric material having a spacing of a single unit of charged
material between them, about 0.001 inches, with conductive electrodes applied on the outside to present the
control field. Electrical and optical generators are essentially the same structure with specialized electrodes
and filling to enhance the motional aspect of the contained charge. In many ways, these devices closely
parallel piezoelectric devices but having exceptionally high coupling coefficients and efficiency in that they
are over-unity efficiency, are self-driven and function without input power from our usual sources.
Why Would They Act This Way:
There are several unique properties to the portion of space we occupy
on this planet and nearby neighborhood. One of the most obvious curiosities is the way we have reached a
charge neutral or charge balanced condition, with the exception of an occasional thunderstorm,
fractoemission cracked rock, and rubbing hair on amber. The driving force behind this is that electrons
really don’t want to be alone. At the first opportunity available, they join up with something. In the case of
elements, they readily join the nucleus, with its positive charge invitation, until a balance is obtained.
Oddly enough, and this is not common knowledge, they also join each other as long as the spacing is as
close as one atomic diameter or so. That is what happens when an abrupt, high field process, like a gas
discharge or field emission, forcibly ejects electrons from a conductor at sufficiently high current density.
Having once achieved this uncommon union for our portion of space, the electrons stick together until the
marriage is violated by a sufficient quantity of conductor where they are forced to return to their more
common state as an atom. But while in this little package, whatever it is called, very delightful things
happen that can be used to our advantage.
At this point all we have is a controllable entity capable of extraordinary thrust and using trivial control
power. Some of the requirements for this condition seem to be connected to its large size, being larger than
a single electron, and the apparent closeness of the substructure, assuming there are internal parts.
Curiously, the critical number density of the substructure matches Avogadro’s number. To a first
approximation, the parts within are spaced the same as if they were in an atomic lattice.
What’s Its Name:
Although there are many more measured properties having to do with the ability to
mask charge and shift mass, the above statements used alone are enough to allow proceeding to the next
stage of development without undue risk of the work being stranded for lack of data. Do we mystify the
source of this effect with an elaborate name or just give it a bland name and use it?
There is now a wondrously long list of things we do not have to know or do to proceed with a process for
passively overcoming the force of gravity—as the entity we are talking about is thrusting against some
unseen medium that appears stationary and this medium is not the material it is boring through. Call it what
you will, the medium is there and we can now engage it in a very forceful way. No more beating on the air
or throwing material overboard to fly! Who cares what its name is? Use it.
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Re: Mathis and Ken Shoulders
197b. EVO's and the Charge Field
http://milesmathis.com/evo.pdf
EVO's are exotic vacuum objects thought to be collections of electrons. However, in this short introductory paper, Shoulders admits they can't be only that:
"When calculations are done to see what the energy balance is to produce the impact mark, using input measured electron number and velocity, it is clear that the effects seen are not tractable due to inertia. Ballistic laws are strictly not followed and are off by a factor of thousands. As an example, an entity traveling at 0.1c, composed of about 1012 electrons, accelerates a slug of mass 50 material, measuring 20 micrometers in diameter by 100 micrometers long, to a mean velocity of about 107 centimeters per second. Indications are that a very high force is available due to motion of the entity and that this force is directly indicated by this measurement technique. . . . This entity is thus more forceful than any condensed material can withstand and it is controlled by a minute amount of input power. "
Since electrons can't do that even with their known charge fields, this looks like a big mystery. This is why Shoulders' research has been used as proof of the zero-point energy field and other exotic fields. But Shoulders never went there himself. He was satisfied with reporting data only.
But with my charge field, you don't need any exotic fields to explain this data. The reason the electron's charge field didn't seem adequate to explain this data was that the charge field was misdefined and misunderstood. The mainstream tells you that electrons and protons are charged, but they aren't. They are in a field that is charged. The particles are not charged, they are simply driven by a charged field. Electrons don't charge the field around them, the field around them charges the electrons. The electron and proton are nothing but buoys in this field, telling us local energy levels. The cause of the energy is the stream of charge photons, which always manages to remain invisible to these researchers. It would be quite simple to switch devices, measuring photons instead of electrons, but somehow that never occurs to anyone in this experiments. It never occurs to them to bring in other machines (which they do have now) to try to measure the photon field fluxes at and around the target. They have been so in love with the electron for so many decades, they cannot dance with another partner.
Actually, the machines they have here are measuring the photon fields quite well, but these researchers and theorists are blind to the data. Even the field numbers are direct confirmation of the charge field, but since they have the wrong equations, they don't see that either. I have tweaked their own equations, giving them back in a form which allows them to solve these things, but no one has accepted my gift.
e = 1.602 x 10-19C 1C = 2 x 10-7kg/s (see definition of Ampere to find this number in the mainstream) e = 3.204 x 10-26kg/s
That's 19 proton masses per second, and that is just the ambient charge field. In an induced field, the charge densities may be even greater, which easily explains the huge energies in Shoulders' data.
The way these energies act also points directly at the charge field:
As a second point of verification of this enormous force, along with another peculiar property of material entrainment, is the way a simple electrical impedance mismatch can reverse the direction of travel for the entity along with the entire load of material it is carrying. This happens when the entity of a particular energy or type creates a hole in a target boring material, such as SiC, backed with a metal foil that is, in turn, spaced from another anode material. This mismatch produces an intense, point flash of light, having a diameter of about 5 micrometers, resulting from the reversal of the entity with its load, followed by high velocity ejection of the load material in the opposite direction originally traveled by the ensemble. Not only is the force of the entity high in the forward or original direction it was launched but also it almost instantly reverses direction and applies the force in the opposite direction—all under electrical control afforded by the local structure instead of external dictates.
That description of the data has charge field written all over it. The electron is obviously in a stream composed of something else, since that stream reverses in ways the electron couldn't on its own. It is this stream that all of Shoulders' machines are measuring, not the electrons in it. A stronger field of charge photons is moving in this experiment, simply carrying the electrons along with it. The electron is like a bullet, but in this case the “air” around the bullet is more powerful than the bullet itself. The electron is special only in that it can further focus the photon energy around it, giving us traveling areas of higher density.
Shoulders then shows that electrons travel easily together, contradicting what we are taught about repulsing charges. He provides data proving that although electrons have some repulsion, they have nothing like a repulsion of -1. I have shown that this is because electrons have a smaller charge profile than the proton. We do not have equal and opposite charges, and never have. The mainstream's own experiments and equations have long indicated the electron has a charge of 1/1821 that of the proton, but as with the charge field itself, that data is ignored to suit old standing theories.
Furthermore, I have shown that it is the electrons' real spins and charge emissions through those spins that are keeping them apart, just as fans would keep one another apart. But in some cases, electrons can huddle even closer, stacking like the protons stack in the nucleus, pole to equator. To get there, they have to be driven by a non-linear charge field, which is rare. But this is the explanation of some quantum particles, such as the tau neutrino. The neutrino is not an indivisible particle: it is four x-spinning electrons.
Finally, here's the clincher:
Curiously, the critical number density of the substructure matches Avogadro’s number. To a first approximation, the parts within are spaced the same as if they were in an atomic lattice.
http://milesmathis.com/evo.pdf
EVO's are exotic vacuum objects thought to be collections of electrons. However, in this short introductory paper, Shoulders admits they can't be only that:
"When calculations are done to see what the energy balance is to produce the impact mark, using input measured electron number and velocity, it is clear that the effects seen are not tractable due to inertia. Ballistic laws are strictly not followed and are off by a factor of thousands. As an example, an entity traveling at 0.1c, composed of about 1012 electrons, accelerates a slug of mass 50 material, measuring 20 micrometers in diameter by 100 micrometers long, to a mean velocity of about 107 centimeters per second. Indications are that a very high force is available due to motion of the entity and that this force is directly indicated by this measurement technique. . . . This entity is thus more forceful than any condensed material can withstand and it is controlled by a minute amount of input power. "
Since electrons can't do that even with their known charge fields, this looks like a big mystery. This is why Shoulders' research has been used as proof of the zero-point energy field and other exotic fields. But Shoulders never went there himself. He was satisfied with reporting data only.
But with my charge field, you don't need any exotic fields to explain this data. The reason the electron's charge field didn't seem adequate to explain this data was that the charge field was misdefined and misunderstood. The mainstream tells you that electrons and protons are charged, but they aren't. They are in a field that is charged. The particles are not charged, they are simply driven by a charged field. Electrons don't charge the field around them, the field around them charges the electrons. The electron and proton are nothing but buoys in this field, telling us local energy levels. The cause of the energy is the stream of charge photons, which always manages to remain invisible to these researchers. It would be quite simple to switch devices, measuring photons instead of electrons, but somehow that never occurs to anyone in this experiments. It never occurs to them to bring in other machines (which they do have now) to try to measure the photon field fluxes at and around the target. They have been so in love with the electron for so many decades, they cannot dance with another partner.
Actually, the machines they have here are measuring the photon fields quite well, but these researchers and theorists are blind to the data. Even the field numbers are direct confirmation of the charge field, but since they have the wrong equations, they don't see that either. I have tweaked their own equations, giving them back in a form which allows them to solve these things, but no one has accepted my gift.
e = 1.602 x 10-19C 1C = 2 x 10-7kg/s (see definition of Ampere to find this number in the mainstream) e = 3.204 x 10-26kg/s
That's 19 proton masses per second, and that is just the ambient charge field. In an induced field, the charge densities may be even greater, which easily explains the huge energies in Shoulders' data.
The way these energies act also points directly at the charge field:
As a second point of verification of this enormous force, along with another peculiar property of material entrainment, is the way a simple electrical impedance mismatch can reverse the direction of travel for the entity along with the entire load of material it is carrying. This happens when the entity of a particular energy or type creates a hole in a target boring material, such as SiC, backed with a metal foil that is, in turn, spaced from another anode material. This mismatch produces an intense, point flash of light, having a diameter of about 5 micrometers, resulting from the reversal of the entity with its load, followed by high velocity ejection of the load material in the opposite direction originally traveled by the ensemble. Not only is the force of the entity high in the forward or original direction it was launched but also it almost instantly reverses direction and applies the force in the opposite direction—all under electrical control afforded by the local structure instead of external dictates.
That description of the data has charge field written all over it. The electron is obviously in a stream composed of something else, since that stream reverses in ways the electron couldn't on its own. It is this stream that all of Shoulders' machines are measuring, not the electrons in it. A stronger field of charge photons is moving in this experiment, simply carrying the electrons along with it. The electron is like a bullet, but in this case the “air” around the bullet is more powerful than the bullet itself. The electron is special only in that it can further focus the photon energy around it, giving us traveling areas of higher density.
Shoulders then shows that electrons travel easily together, contradicting what we are taught about repulsing charges. He provides data proving that although electrons have some repulsion, they have nothing like a repulsion of -1. I have shown that this is because electrons have a smaller charge profile than the proton. We do not have equal and opposite charges, and never have. The mainstream's own experiments and equations have long indicated the electron has a charge of 1/1821 that of the proton, but as with the charge field itself, that data is ignored to suit old standing theories.
Furthermore, I have shown that it is the electrons' real spins and charge emissions through those spins that are keeping them apart, just as fans would keep one another apart. But in some cases, electrons can huddle even closer, stacking like the protons stack in the nucleus, pole to equator. To get there, they have to be driven by a non-linear charge field, which is rare. But this is the explanation of some quantum particles, such as the tau neutrino. The neutrino is not an indivisible particle: it is four x-spinning electrons.
Finally, here's the clincher:
Curiously, the critical number density of the substructure matches Avogadro’s number. To a first approximation, the parts within are spaced the same as if they were in an atomic lattice.
Re: Mathis and Ken Shoulders
KEN SHOULDERS interview
If you can't hear the audio go here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRU0xuUs5XY
Ken Shoulders, Father of MicroElectronics, grants a RARE interview and discusses his current work: EVOs (exotic vacuum objects), the Hutchison Effect, anti-gravity, Frontier Science and errors in Cold Fusion. The Hutchison Effect (EVOs) may be able to eliminate the nuclear contamination from Fukushima. Off camera comments and questions from Clare (Ken's wife) and Nancy Lazaryan. Filmed Sept. 2010.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTM0xO0CFaY
If you can't hear the audio go here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRU0xuUs5XY
Ken Shoulders, Father of MicroElectronics, grants a RARE interview and discusses his current work: EVOs (exotic vacuum objects), the Hutchison Effect, anti-gravity, Frontier Science and errors in Cold Fusion. The Hutchison Effect (EVOs) may be able to eliminate the nuclear contamination from Fukushima. Off camera comments and questions from Clare (Ken's wife) and Nancy Lazaryan. Filmed Sept. 2010.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTM0xO0CFaY
Re: Mathis and Ken Shoulders
Hey, you bum, I'm glad to see info from Ken Shoulders, but how come you didn't join the chat?
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Re: Mathis and Ken Shoulders
LloydK wrote:Hey, you bum, I'm glad to see info from Ken Shoulders, but how come you didn't join the chat?
Sorry about that guys... I was helping my wife move some things around our place. It is sometimes tough to "chat" when a wife is around and needs help.
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